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Post by JAGuar on Jul 20, 2005 17:01:47 GMT -5
The weirdest thing about Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is that it was based on Charlie. The very opposite is true of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
Johnny Depp did a great job in this version of it and did a better job than Gene Wilder. To be fair though, Depp had a much better script and a much better director with a much better story to follow. The truth is Wonka's life is much more interesting than Charlies.
There were two things I liked better in the first movie:
1.) Oompa Loompas-they were played by one guy in this movie and it definitely wasn't a very good site to behold. I liked that Burton wanted to be creative in it but he went a bit too far.
2.) Child Actors-Although this is true of all actors now, the child actors are not nearly as talented as the ones in the first movie. They were struggling so much with their lines that they forgot to do any blocking at all. This fact was extremely accented by the extremely great acting of Johnny Depp.
I give this movie a 10/10 because it's the first remake that's arguably better than the first-that I've seen and because it's something that you can watch over and over again and never get tired of it.
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Post by MovieManiac on Jul 22, 2005 10:30:22 GMT -5
Ha ha ha. Very funny. But even though I am a huge Tim Burton fan, the original Willy Wonka was much better. And it is not time for 5 reasons the new Wonka sucked:
5. No creepy boatride. Where was it? I expected Burton of all people to keep that awesome scene in the movie.
4. Wonka's father? Good job trying it to make it more like the book, they added a whole new ending and subplot. Christopher Lee didn't even pull out his lightsaber while cleaning teeth.
3. A new Oompa Loompa song? Why? You can't outdo the "Oompa...Loompa...doopidy doo". Don't even try.
2. Veruca and her father. The new actors in these parts were horrible. The mink coat doesn't make you a spoiled brat, so act like it! Ad you can't replace th bumbling fat guy as her dad. He was funny and cool, and the new guy wasn't. Sorry new guy.
1. NO SHNOZBERRIES! Do the shnozberries really taste like shnozberries? We'll never find out because they didn't use them in the movie.
And why did Johnny Depp look like Michael Jackson and take all of the kids to Neverland? Why was Grandpa Joe old and weak whn the other guy could sing and dance? Why did Mike TV never watch TV, just play video games? Where was Gene Wilder's innocent, yet crazy charm, instead of Depp's "Hee hee hee, I'm on drugs, and what I say and do is funny"? Why Violet's mom instead of her dad? Where was ol' Slugworth? Why did they modify the everlasting gobstoppers to look like the candy ones they sell now?
They make remakes to make movies better, but how do you remake the perfect movie? I want Wonka' little remarks only adults get and crazy lesson's from Charlie's teacher! Give me the Candy Man song and Pure Imagination!
In conclusion, this movie doesn't even go near the magic and greatness of the original. The little scenes with the dream and the machine ot find Golden Tickets was original. ANd to Mr. Dahl's family... Dahl wrote the screenplay for the original! That's how he wanted to see it!
So giv me the original Wonka anyday. I don't care how, I want it noooooooooowwwwwww!
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Post by JAGuar on Jul 23, 2005 21:10:08 GMT -5
Okay, that last remark is totally wrong. Dahl hated the first movie because of Gene Wilder. I agree on the oompa loompa and the Salt points, but other than that I think you're being a bit biased. You watched this movie expecting to see them try to copy the older version. I like the fact that they tried to make it totally different. Johnny Depp played the perfect Willy Wonka, because he actually acted like Willy Wonka. I understand the first one is great-and I never said that this one was better-but you can't compare the two because of the different approaches they take.
The truth is the older one dragged at a lot of places-such as the boat scene-this one doesn't.
But I don't want to get into a debate where I have to list reasons that I don't like a movie that I love.
All I said was that the new one was arguably better than the old one. And a lot of the reasons you gave were pretty stupid and seemed like a childish tantrum.
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Post by MovieManiac on Jul 23, 2005 22:55:50 GMT -5
How do you say Depp actually acted like Wonka? There is in fact no real Willy Wonka. If it is the book you're refering to, Wonka was not a squeaky voiced guy who often had strange episodes when people refered to parents. You see, I think it's become a habit for people to say Depp is a great actor. He is, and he has always played the best characters, but now that he has a time he didn't do well, people will say he's good anyway. If they had cast a no name actor, and he gave the same performance, people would have been like "he did...ok...i guess" just becauses hes the great johnny depp doesnt mean he can have a bad performance. he was due anyway. theres was no way every movie an actor is in can be good, and until now, it was seemingly going to be that way. i think this is probably his first. but he has corpse bride comin out, and that will definatly set depp and burton back in their right place. (in an interview, burtion even said that he wasnt glad with the way this movie came out, and he will now sustain from doing a childrens movie ever again) also, with dahl in mind, let me tell you the story of fight club. a great movie based on a book. never read the book, slo i cant say which is better here. but when the movie came out, the director changed the ending to the movie from the book. the author called him after seeing the movie and said "i like your ending better". it is true that every book is always better than the movies it is made into, but is dahl had wanted it to be like the book, he would had written it that way. funny how it wasnt remade until after he died... or maybe it just worked out for the dahl family that hollywood is remaking everything they can get their hands on. any way you take it, it doesnt look good for the cinema future. (can you really trust the artists' family in most cases?) *cough* yoko *cough* anyway, dahl wrote the script. if they wanted to redo it, then they shouldve just done it the same way, except without wilder's wonka. im tired of writing this subject. original rules, no remake will ever be better unless the movie sucked in the first place UPDATE i came across this interesting thing. click "watch it" newgrounds.com/portal/view/252079 |
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Post by JAGuar on Jul 27, 2005 18:43:11 GMT -5
It is not a remake. It is a different interpretation from the book. The two movies have nothing to do with each other, and in my opinion, this was Depp's best performance (with the obvious exceptions of Edward Scissorhands and Pirates of the Caribbean) and I haven't even liked Depp as an actor throughout most of his career. I've only recently begun to like him and I feel this movie is a great movie and let me put it this way:
If there wasn't the movie with Gene Wilder, would you like this movie? Because that's the thing, it's not a remake. They're not trying to redo the first movie, they're just trying to do the book again.
Oh, and the boat ride point in the first post? What was that about, they had more of the boat ride in this one than they did in the older one. Not to mention the candy you mentioned that I barely recall being mentioned at all in the other movie-candy, no less, that had nothing to do with the rest of the movie.
I still love the way Depp interpreted Willy Wonka-they went for freaky and they got freaky.
By the way, Corpse Bride looks like a cheap ripoff of Nightmare Before Christmas.
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Post by MovieManiac on Aug 2, 2005 20:19:13 GMT -5
well it is the same people who are making it.
tim burton's the nightmare before christmas
tim burton's the corpse bride
i think its a very original plot, unless its just something i never heard before.
plus danny elfman at what he does best, scores, not lyrics. anywho, this is classic tim burton with the same atmosphere as beetlejuice and batman.
he hasnt had the spooky atmosphere that fans love since sleepy hollow.
CORPSE BRIDE(looks like it) WILL BE AWESOME!
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Post by Ahryantah on Aug 2, 2005 21:23:52 GMT -5
If you're talking about the lyrics from the songs in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Roald Dahl wrote those, not Danny Elfman. The original Willy Wonka movie had made up lyrics, while this new one has the original lyrics from the book.
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